十七、朝鲜所采取的军事政策令世界各国都感到不安,中国是同朝鲜关系最好的国家,也是朝鲜的邻国,中国如何看待朝鲜的局势?如何看待朝鲜给世界各国,尤其是美国所带来的不安?
Question 17: The DPRK has unsettled the world with its military policy. As its neighbor and probably the country with the closest relations with the DPRK, how does China view the situation in the DPRK and the concerns it has caused for countries around the world, in particular, the United States?
王毅:你提了一个很重要的问题,就是朝鲜半岛核问题。它越来越引起国际社会的关注,尤其是在伊朗核问题达成全面协议之后,各方更把目光聚焦在朝鲜半岛上。中国的立场非常清楚。我们立场就是“三个坚持”。第一,坚持实现半岛无核化。半岛不能有核武器,不能够发展也不能输入。因为这首先对南北双方不利,不利于他们的安全,同时对这个地区也不利,甚至会破坏国际核不扩散体系。第二,坚持维护半岛和平与稳定。半岛是中国的近邻,半岛一旦生战生乱会直接影响到中国,直接影响到我们的现代化进程。当然,生战生乱对各方也不利,需要共同加以避免。所以我们要共同维护好半岛的和平稳定。第三,坚持以和平方式解决半岛核问题。实际上我们已经有了很成熟的经验,就是六方会谈。六方会谈的做法就是把各自的关切都拿到桌面上来,然后相互对接,同步向前推进,一并加以解决。这是一个公平合理的办法,曾经推动六方会谈取得了很重要的成绩,而且这个做法后来被用在伊朗核问题的解决进程中,也发挥了非常好的作用。所以现在我们需要恢复六方会谈,把半岛核问题重新拉回到谈判解决的轨道上来。
Wang Yi: You raised a very important question about the Korean nuclear issue. This issue has attracted growing international attention, and has been in the spotlight after the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action was reached on the Iranian nuclear issue. China’s position is clear-cut, namely the “three commitments”. First, China is committed to achieving denuclearization on the Korean Peninsula. There should be no nuclear weapons on the Peninsula, either by way of development or by import, because it does no good to either side, to their security, or to the region. Rather, it will undermine the international non-proliferation regime. Second, China is committed to peace and stability on the Peninsula. Given the geographical proximity, any chaos or war on the Peninsula would have a direct bearing on China and its modernization drive. It goes without saying that, war or chaos serves no one’s interests. So we need to work together to avoid such scenario and jointly uphold peace and stability on the Peninsula. Third, China is committed to resolving the Korean nuclear issue through peaceful means. Actually, we already have good experience in dealing with this issue, that is the Six-Party Talks. Under the talks, all sides can bring their concerns to the table, talk them through and address them in parallel. This approach is fair and reasonable, and had secured important progress out of the talks in the past. It has also played a positive role in resolving the Iranian nuclear issue. As such, it is imperative to resume the Six-Party Talks and bring the nuclear issue on the Peninsula back to the track of negotiation.
就当前形势而言,当务之急是要避免半岛形势进一步紧张,尤其是要防止发生冲突,防止局势恶化甚至失控。中方正在同各方进行沟通来做这方面的努力。此外,就是要落实好联合国安理会的第2270号决议。2270号决议是安理会一致通过的,它既针对朝鲜核导计划明确了反对态度,采取了一系列必要的措施,同时也规定不应影响到朝鲜的民生,不能引发人道主义危机,要防止局势进一步紧张。2270号决议还重申要恢复六方会谈,通过谈判解决问题。这些都是2270号决议的内容,所以我们主张2270号决议应该全面完整地加以执行。
In the current context, the pressing task is to avoid further escalation of tensions on the Peninsula, in particular, to forestall conflicts and prevent the situation from deteriorating or even getting out of control. The Chinese side is talking to all parties for this purpose. Moreover, UNSC Resolution 2270 should be implemented. Adopted unanimously at the Security Council, Resolution 2270 voices clear opposition against the DPRK’s nuclear and missile program and sets out a host of necessary measures. At the same time, it says clearly that the measures taken should not affect the livelihood of the DPRK people, nor should they lead to humanitarian crisis or further escalation of tensions. It also reiterates the importance of resuming the Six-Party Talks and resolving the issue through negotiation. The resolution includes all these aspects and must be implemented in full.
从这个意义上讲,中方一方面作为安理会常任理事国执行安理会决议,另一方面也不放弃恢复和谈的努力。我们提出了一个恢复和谈的思路,叫做“并行推进”,实际上是借鉴了过去的经验。朝鲜方面最关心的是它的安全问题,为此需要把半岛停战机制转换为和平机制,这样来确保国家安全。我们可以理解。美国和包括中国在内的其他国家希望朝鲜放弃核导计划,都希望实现半岛无核化。我们可以把两方面关切结合起来,使推进无核化和停和机制转换并行向前推进,一起进行谈判,最终达到一揽子解决。我认为这是一个切实可行的复谈思路。我们希望同各方、特别是和六方会谈成员国密切沟通,为此不断创造条件。总之,半岛核问题必须重新纳入和平解决轨道。
The Chinese side is implementing the UN resolution as a permanent member of the Security Council while pursuing the resumption of the talks. We have put forward an approach of parallel tracks, which is inspired by our past experience. For the DPRK, security is its top concern, so it wants to replace the armistice agreement with a peace treaty to ensure its national security. This is understandable, while the United States and other countries, including China, hope that the DPRK will give up its nuclear program and the denuclearization of the Peninsula can be achieved. We need to take into account both concerns and pursue, in parallel tracks, the denuclearization and the replacement of the armistice agreement with a peace treaty. We can discuss them all at the negotiating table and find a package solution. I believe this is a viable way to resume the talks. We also hope to keep close communication with all sides, members of the Six-Party Talks in particular, to create conditions for the resumption. In all, the Korean nuclear issue must be addressed peacefully.
问:现在的问题是朝鲜是否愿意放弃它的核计划呢?
Follow-up: The big question now is whether the DPRK is willing to abandon its nuclear program.
王毅:你说了一个很重要的问题。朝鲜愿意还是不愿意?关键是要谈起来看,谈起来就有取得进展的可能性,如果不谈的话,就什么都没有。
Wang Yi: You touched upon a very important point. Is the DPRK willing to do so? The key is to get the talks going, because no progress would be possible without the talks.
十八、有一个问题希望您能够比较坦诚地回答,我多次提到美国,还提到了美国国防部长卡特对中国的批评,但您在回答中并没有点名美国,您是故意这样做的吗?(因为)这样做会挑衅到美国吗?
Question 18: I hope you will give a straightforward answer to this question. I mentioned several times the United States and Defense Secretary Carter’s criticism of China. Yet you didn’t name the United States in your answer. Did you do it deliberately to avoid provoking the United States?
王毅:该表态的时候我们一定会非常明确、清晰地把我们的立场表达出来。你刚才几次谈到美国,实际上我也向你做了明确的说明。是谁在这个地区大搞军事演习?谁把大量的先进武器派到南海,而且在不断地构建新的军事基地?我想这个国家不言自明,当然就是美国。
Wang Yi: We will articulate our position very clearly when it’s necessary to do so. You asked about the United States several times and I gave a clear answer already. Who is engaging in massive military exercises in this region? Who is sending a lot of advanced weaponry to the South China Sea and building new military bases? The answer is all too clear: the United States.
十九、刚才您说,阿拉伯国家没有真空,他们应该自己填补自己的真空。我读过您的简历,发现您成长在中国高速发展时期,中国实现了自己的梦想,实现了振兴,您是成长在“中国梦”之中的。我想了解您对阿拉伯国家的振兴有哪些建议?应该采取哪些步骤、哪些方法才能实现象中国一样的发展?
Question 19: You said just now that there is no vacuum in the Arab states, and if there ever is, it is their responsibility to fill it. I have looked at your personal experience and found you grow up witnessing China’s rapid development, a period when China’s dream of national renewal is coming true. So you have been part of the Chinese dream. I would like to hear about your suggestions on how Arab states can revitalize their countries. What steps are needed to realize the kind of growth that China has registered?
王毅:阿拉伯民族是勤劳智慧的民族,阿拉伯人民曾经创造出辉煌的文明,为人类进步事业做出了重大历史性贡献,我们始终对阿拉伯国家的发展持一个非常乐观的态度。再加上你们有广阔的市场、丰富的资源,完全具备了进一步发展振兴的条件。我们主张各国应该找到一条符合自身国情、符合自己发展阶段,同时又能够被本国人民接受和拥护的发展道路。这样的发展才能走得长久,才能真正发挥它的作用。生搬硬套外面的东西,往往是水土不服,域外势力的干涉更会带来各种各样严重的后遗症。所以作为阿拉伯国家的朋友,我们希望阿拉伯各国能够团结起来,相互帮助、相互支持,共同振兴阿拉伯世界,为人类发展进步事业做出新的贡献。
Wang Yi: The Arabs are industrious and resourceful people, who created brilliant civilizations and contributed greatly to the advancement of mankind. We have always been very optimistic about the development of the Arab states. In addition, their huge market and abundant resources put them in a good position for further development. We believe that each country needs to find a path best suited to its national conditions and development stage, one that can be accepted and supported by its people. Only such a path can lead to long-term sustained development. Other countries’ experience may not fit our own national conditions. Still worse, external interference often creates serious complications. So as a friend, we hope to see Arab states come together and help and support each other to jointly revitalize the Arab world and make fresh contribution to the development of mankind.
至于每一个国家,都有不同的情况,需要每一个国家自己来实践。就中国而言,我们的成功之处就是找到了一条符合中国国情的发展道路,这就是中国特色社会主义。中国特色社会主义的实践非常丰富,最简要地来讲,就是我们这几十年很好地处理了发展、改革和稳定三者的关系。首先,全国上上下下,从我们执政党开始就确定一个目标,叫做聚精会神搞建设,一心一意谋发展,因为我们认为发展是解决中国存在所有问题的一个总钥匙。怎么实现发展呢?这就需要稳定,稳定是发展的前提。所以我们把维护稳定作为重要的任务,要维护国家的稳定,维护制度的稳定,维护政策的稳定,维护各个民族、各个地区的稳定。只有有了稳定这个前提,我们的发展才是有可能的。同时,我们还有另外一条,就是改革,因为发展需要动力,动力就来自于改革,通过改革不断发掘新的空间,发挥新的潜力,开辟新的前景。总之,正是我们处理好了发展、改革和稳定三者的辩证统一关系,才在过去基础之上,取得了新的快速发展。当然,这是中国的一些做法,供阿拉伯国家参考,我们可以进行这种经验交流。
As conditions vary from country to country, it is up to each country itself to explore the best way for it. As for China, its biggest achievement is that it has found a path suited to its reality, which is socialism with Chinese characteristics and China has accumulated rich experience in this process. Put simply, for the past few decades, we have struck a balance between development, reform and stability. First, the whole nation, starting from the governing party, is committed to the overriding goal of achieving development. Because we believe that development holds the key to solving all the problems facing China. How to achieve development? It requires stability, which is a precondition for development. That is why maintaining stability is an important task for us. We need to safeguard stability of our country, our system, our policy, and all ethnic groups and regions. Development would be out of the question without a stable environment. We also need reform as it provides the driving force and creates new space, potential and prospect for development. In short, it is because we have managed to balance development, reform and stability that we have gone this far and this fast. Of course, this is just China’s experience. We would be happy to share it with Arab states and have further discussions in the future.